[QE-users] Unexpected adsorption energy

Mohamed Safy msafy505 at gmail.com
Wed Dec 19 08:12:59 CET 2018


Dear  Giuseppe
I took your advice but the E[cation+anion] system was very difficult to be
converged.
I tried to reduce the mixing_beta and conv_thr with no results.
Thanks

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 14:37, Mohamed Safy <msafy505 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear  Giuseppe
> Many thanks for your response.
> I will try with your advice and give you the response
> Thanks
>
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 12:24, Giuseppe Mattioli <
> giuseppe.mattioli at ism.cnr.it> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Mohamed
>>
>> charged ions are tricky in DFT for multiple reasons. The excess and
>> well localized charge can suffer a very strong delocalization error
>> which may lead to unbound electronic states. Moreover, charged ions
>> are generally not stable in gas phase. They often require a polar
>> solvent to exist. Finally, in periodic boundary conditions a
>> distribution of charge (aka "jellium") is required to compensate the
>> positive/negative charge in a supercell, and the reference potential
>> is affected by the insertion of such charge, so that for example you
>> cannot calculate the ionization energy of a molecule as
>> E[q=+1]-E[q=0], as you do when you use GTO codes.
>>
>> This said, it is not impossible to calculate the adsorption energy of
>> charged ions on a given substrate, provided that:
>>
>> 1) You use a hybrid EXX-GGA functional. This is not mandatory, but it
>> is recommended because it generally avoids the accommodation of excess
>> electrons in unbound states.
>>
>> 2) You embed your system in an implicit dielectric medium (maybe
>> "water", in your case). In QE this is easily provided by the
>> QUANTUM-ENVIRON plug-in.
>>
>> Then you can calculate the adsorption energy in two ways:
>>
>> A) you can start from the interacting configuration of your system and
>> progressively remove the ion in several snapshots (or a few snapshot,
>> depending on the computational resources you can afford). Then you
>> build an interaction potential curve and yiu try to estimate its
>> asymptotic value. It requires also a large supercell, of course.
>>
>> B) you can use a little trick (which however requires 1 and 2 above).
>> Put a cation in a part of your supercell where the interaction energy
>> with you polymer+anion system is negligible. Then calculate the energy
>> of your cation+anion system in a neutral supercell where their charge
>> is exactly compensated. The energy difference between three neutral
>> supercells E[polymer+anion+cation]-E[polymer]-E[cation+anion] should
>> be a sensible estimate of the anion adsorption energy
>>
>> HTH
>> Giuseppe
>>
>> Mohamed Safy <msafy505 at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>> > Thanks for your valuable information but I have experimental results
>> which
>> > indicate the presence of adsorption. is this can be considered a
>> > conflict?.  I tried to validate the method using a smaller system. I
>> > studied the adsorption of H2 on Graphene.
>> > The adsorption energy was 17.17 kcal/mol.
>> > the systems are below
>> > Complex
>> > &CONTROL
>> >     calculation   = "scf"
>> >     forc_conv_thr =  1.00000e-03
>> >     max_seconds   =  1.72800e+05
>> >     nstep         = 1000
>> >     verbosity='high'
>> >     restart_mode='from_scratch'
>> >     iprint=1
>> >     tprnfor=.true.
>> >  pseudo_dir = '/lfs01/workdirs/val/Test/pseudo',
>> > outdir='/lfs01/workdirs/val/Test/Out/C',
>> > /
>> >
>> > &SYSTEM
>> >     a     =  7.40525e+00
>> >     c     =  9.99906e+00
>> >     ibrav = 4
>> >     nat   = 19
>> >     ntyp  = 2
>> >     ecutwfc = 45.0 ,
>> > ecutrho = 450.0 ,
>> > input_DFT = 'PBE-D2' ,
>> > occupations = 'smearing' ,
>> > degauss = 1.0d-4 ,
>> > vdw_corr = 'Grimme-D2'
>> > assume_isolated = 'mt'
>> > smearing = 'marzari-vanderbilt' ,
>> > /
>> >
>> > &ELECTRONS
>> > conv_thr = 1.0d-7 ,
>> > electron_maxstep = 1000
>> > mixing_mode = 'plain' ,
>> > mixing_beta = 0.3d0 ,
>> > /
>> >
>> > &IONS
>> > ion_dynamics='bfgs'
>> > upscale=20.0
>> > /
>> >
>> > &CELL
>> > /
>> >
>> > K_POINTS {automatic}
>> >  3  3  3  0 0 0
>> >
>> > ATOMIC_SPECIES
>> > C      12.01070  C.pbe-n-kjpaw_psl.1.0.0.UPF
>> > H       1.00794  H.pbe-kjpaw_psl.1.0.0.UPF
>> > ATOMIC_POSITIONS {angstrom}
>> > C        1.280642168   0.685951341  -0.000431048
>> > C       -1.236653977   3.539880413  -0.001566184
>> > C       -0.000377617   2.903279130  -0.002911997
>> > C       -2.489554615   5.710262290  -0.000852594
>> > C       -1.229721248   4.990709007  -0.000338911
>> > C        2.449440629   1.438897112   0.002319254
>> > C        3.702198081   0.707454065  -0.001265064
>> > C        1.236237242   3.539760579   0.000958837
>> > C        2.478517989   2.856386275   0.004841971
>> > C       -0.000246038   5.700684987  -0.000997560
>> > C        1.229347070   4.990770096  -0.000716604
>> > C        4.955272233   1.438694069  -0.002138838
>> > C        6.124721243   0.686321393   0.000987763
>> > C        3.702044434   3.562937903   0.001926384
>> > C        4.925831271   2.856536000  -0.001755553
>> > C        2.489209922   5.710445901  -0.000342579
>> > C        3.702309214   4.976078918  -0.000048704
>> > H        3.360489134   2.350036356  -3.014528460
>> > H        2.719672863   2.741584163  -3.037540110
>> >
>> >
>> > Graphen
>> > &CONTROL
>> >     calculation   = "scf"
>> >     forc_conv_thr =  1.00000e-03
>> >     max_seconds   =  1.72800e+05
>> >     nstep         = 1000
>> >     verbosity='high'
>> >     restart_mode='from_scratch'
>> >     iprint=1
>> >     tprnfor=.true.
>> >  pseudo_dir = '/lfs01/Val/cairo010u1/Test/pseudo',
>> > outdir='/lfs01/workdirs/Val/Test/Out/G',
>> > /
>> >
>> > &SYSTEM
>> >     a     =  7.40525e+00
>> >     c     =  9.99906e+00
>> >     ibrav = 4
>> >     nat   = 17
>> >     ntyp  = 1
>> >     ecutwfc = 45.0 ,
>> > ecutrho = 450.0 ,
>> > input_DFT = 'PBE-D2' ,
>> > occupations = 'smearing' ,
>> > degauss = 1.0d-4 ,
>> > vdw_corr = 'Grimme-D2'
>> > assume_isolated = 'mt'
>> > smearing = 'marzari-vanderbilt' ,
>> > /
>> >
>> > &ELECTRONS
>> > conv_thr = 1.0d-10 ,
>> > electron_maxstep = 1000
>> > mixing_mode = 'plain' ,
>> > mixing_beta = 0.3d0 ,
>> > /
>> >
>> > &IONS
>> > ion_dynamics='bfgs'
>> > upscale=20.0
>> > /
>> >
>> > &CELL
>> > /
>> >
>> > K_POINTS {automatic}
>> >  3  3  3  0 0 0
>> >
>> > ATOMIC_SPECIES
>> > C      12.01070  C.pbe-n-kjpaw_psl.1.0.0.UPF
>> >
>> > ATOMIC_POSITIONS {angstrom}
>> > C        1.280642168   0.685951341  -0.000431048
>> > C       -1.236653977   3.539880413  -0.001566184
>> > C       -0.000377617   2.903279130  -0.002911997
>> > C       -2.489554615   5.710262290  -0.000852594
>> > C       -1.229721248   4.990709007  -0.000338911
>> > C        2.449440629   1.438897112   0.002319254
>> > C        3.702198081   0.707454065  -0.001265064
>> > C        1.236237242   3.539760579   0.000958837
>> > C        2.478517989   2.856386275   0.004841971
>> > C       -0.000246038   5.700684987  -0.000997560
>> > C        1.229347070   4.990770096  -0.000716604
>> > C        4.955272233   1.438694069  -0.002138838
>> > C        6.124721243   0.686321393   0.000987763
>> > C        3.702044434   3.562937903   0.001926384
>> > C        4.925831271   2.856536000  -0.001755553
>> > C        2.489209922   5.710445901  -0.000342579
>> > C        3.702309214   4.976078918  -0.000048704
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hydrogen
>> > &CONTROL
>> >     calculation   = "scf"
>> >     forc_conv_thr =  1.00000e-03
>> >     max_seconds   =  1.72800e+05
>> >     nstep         = 1000
>> >     verbosity='high'
>> >     restart_mode='from_scratch'
>> >     iprint=1
>> >     tprnfor=.true.
>> >  pseudo_dir = '/lfs01/workdirs/Val/Test/pseudo',
>> > outdir='/lfs01/workdirs/Val/Test/Out/HY',
>> > /
>> >
>> > &SYSTEM
>> >     a     =  7.40525e+00
>> >     c     =  9.99906e+00
>> >     ibrav = 4
>> >     nat   = 2
>> >     ntyp  = 1
>> >     ecutwfc = 45.0 ,
>> > ecutrho = 450.0 ,
>> > input_DFT = 'PBE-D2' ,
>> > occupations = 'smearing' ,
>> > degauss = 1.0d-4 ,
>> > vdw_corr = 'Grimme-D2'
>> > assume_isolated = 'mt'
>> > smearing = 'marzari-vanderbilt' ,
>> >
>> > /
>> >
>> > &ELECTRONS
>> > conv_thr = 1.0d-7 ,
>> > electron_maxstep = 1000
>> > mixing_mode = 'plain' ,
>> > mixing_beta = 0.3d0 ,
>> > /
>> >
>> > &IONS
>> > ion_dynamics='bfgs'
>> > upscale=20.0
>> > /
>> >
>> > &CELL
>> > /
>> >
>> > K_POINTS {automatic}
>> >  3  3  3  0 0 0
>> >
>> > ATOMIC_SPECIES
>> > H       1.00794  H.pbe-kjpaw_psl.1.0.0.UPF
>> > ATOMIC_POSITIONS {angstrom}
>> > H        3.360489134   2.350036356  -3.014528460
>> > H        2.719672863   2.741584163  -3.037540110
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 at 21:09, Stefano Baroni <baroni at sissa.it> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I know nothing about your system, but what you report simply seem the
>> >> evidence of an endothermal adsorption, stabilized by a  energy barrier.
>> >> Have you got strong reasons to believe that this cannot be the case?
>> >> Regards, Stefano B
>> >>
>> >> ___
>> >> Stefano Baroni, Trieste -- http://stefano.baroni.me
>> >>
>> >> > On 5 Dec 2018, at 18:45, Mohamed Safy <msafy505 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear QE users
>> >> > I am trying to study the adsorption of a negatively charged molecule
>> on
>> >> a core of polymer. The relaxed cell showed the formation of four
>> hydrogen
>> >> bonds (with O...H distance range between 1.7 and 1.95 angstrom). But,
>> when
>> >> I calculated the adsorption energy I found it a positive value (44
>> >> kcal/mol). any advice or suggestion please.
>> >> > Thanks in advance
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