[QE-users] Unexpected adsorption energy
Giuseppe Mattioli
giuseppe.mattioli at ism.cnr.it
Wed Dec 19 12:18:20 CET 2018
Dear Mohamed
I'm afraid that I cannot help you more than this without seeing your
input files. If you want, you can send them in private.
HTH
Giuseppe
Mohamed Safy <msafy505 at gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Dear Giuseppe
> I took your advice but the E[cation+anion] system was very difficult to be
> converged.
> I tried to reduce the mixing_beta and conv_thr with no results.
> Thanks
>
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 14:37, Mohamed Safy <msafy505 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Giuseppe
>> Many thanks for your response.
>> I will try with your advice and give you the response
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 at 12:24, Giuseppe Mattioli <
>> giuseppe.mattioli at ism.cnr.it> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Mohamed
>>>
>>> charged ions are tricky in DFT for multiple reasons. The excess and
>>> well localized charge can suffer a very strong delocalization error
>>> which may lead to unbound electronic states. Moreover, charged ions
>>> are generally not stable in gas phase. They often require a polar
>>> solvent to exist. Finally, in periodic boundary conditions a
>>> distribution of charge (aka "jellium") is required to compensate the
>>> positive/negative charge in a supercell, and the reference potential
>>> is affected by the insertion of such charge, so that for example you
>>> cannot calculate the ionization energy of a molecule as
>>> E[q=+1]-E[q=0], as you do when you use GTO codes.
>>>
>>> This said, it is not impossible to calculate the adsorption energy of
>>> charged ions on a given substrate, provided that:
>>>
>>> 1) You use a hybrid EXX-GGA functional. This is not mandatory, but it
>>> is recommended because it generally avoids the accommodation of excess
>>> electrons in unbound states.
>>>
>>> 2) You embed your system in an implicit dielectric medium (maybe
>>> "water", in your case). In QE this is easily provided by the
>>> QUANTUM-ENVIRON plug-in.
>>>
>>> Then you can calculate the adsorption energy in two ways:
>>>
>>> A) you can start from the interacting configuration of your system and
>>> progressively remove the ion in several snapshots (or a few snapshot,
>>> depending on the computational resources you can afford). Then you
>>> build an interaction potential curve and yiu try to estimate its
>>> asymptotic value. It requires also a large supercell, of course.
>>>
>>> B) you can use a little trick (which however requires 1 and 2 above).
>>> Put a cation in a part of your supercell where the interaction energy
>>> with you polymer+anion system is negligible. Then calculate the energy
>>> of your cation+anion system in a neutral supercell where their charge
>>> is exactly compensated. The energy difference between three neutral
>>> supercells E[polymer+anion+cation]-E[polymer]-E[cation+anion] should
>>> be a sensible estimate of the anion adsorption energy
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Giuseppe
>>>
>>> Mohamed Safy <msafy505 at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> > Thanks for your valuable information but I have experimental results
>>> which
>>> > indicate the presence of adsorption. is this can be considered a
>>> > conflict?. I tried to validate the method using a smaller system. I
>>> > studied the adsorption of H2 on Graphene.
>>> > The adsorption energy was 17.17 kcal/mol.
>>> > the systems are below
>>> > Complex
>>> > &CONTROL
>>> > calculation = "scf"
>>> > forc_conv_thr = 1.00000e-03
>>> > max_seconds = 1.72800e+05
>>> > nstep = 1000
>>> > verbosity='high'
>>> > restart_mode='from_scratch'
>>> > iprint=1
>>> > tprnfor=.true.
>>> > pseudo_dir = '/lfs01/workdirs/val/Test/pseudo',
>>> > outdir='/lfs01/workdirs/val/Test/Out/C',
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > &SYSTEM
>>> > a = 7.40525e+00
>>> > c = 9.99906e+00
>>> > ibrav = 4
>>> > nat = 19
>>> > ntyp = 2
>>> > ecutwfc = 45.0 ,
>>> > ecutrho = 450.0 ,
>>> > input_DFT = 'PBE-D2' ,
>>> > occupations = 'smearing' ,
>>> > degauss = 1.0d-4 ,
>>> > vdw_corr = 'Grimme-D2'
>>> > assume_isolated = 'mt'
>>> > smearing = 'marzari-vanderbilt' ,
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > &ELECTRONS
>>> > conv_thr = 1.0d-7 ,
>>> > electron_maxstep = 1000
>>> > mixing_mode = 'plain' ,
>>> > mixing_beta = 0.3d0 ,
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > &IONS
>>> > ion_dynamics='bfgs'
>>> > upscale=20.0
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > &CELL
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > K_POINTS {automatic}
>>> > 3 3 3 0 0 0
>>> >
>>> > ATOMIC_SPECIES
>>> > C 12.01070 C.pbe-n-kjpaw_psl.1.0.0.UPF
>>> > H 1.00794 H.pbe-kjpaw_psl.1.0.0.UPF
>>> > ATOMIC_POSITIONS {angstrom}
>>> > C 1.280642168 0.685951341 -0.000431048
>>> > C -1.236653977 3.539880413 -0.001566184
>>> > C -0.000377617 2.903279130 -0.002911997
>>> > C -2.489554615 5.710262290 -0.000852594
>>> > C -1.229721248 4.990709007 -0.000338911
>>> > C 2.449440629 1.438897112 0.002319254
>>> > C 3.702198081 0.707454065 -0.001265064
>>> > C 1.236237242 3.539760579 0.000958837
>>> > C 2.478517989 2.856386275 0.004841971
>>> > C -0.000246038 5.700684987 -0.000997560
>>> > C 1.229347070 4.990770096 -0.000716604
>>> > C 4.955272233 1.438694069 -0.002138838
>>> > C 6.124721243 0.686321393 0.000987763
>>> > C 3.702044434 3.562937903 0.001926384
>>> > C 4.925831271 2.856536000 -0.001755553
>>> > C 2.489209922 5.710445901 -0.000342579
>>> > C 3.702309214 4.976078918 -0.000048704
>>> > H 3.360489134 2.350036356 -3.014528460
>>> > H 2.719672863 2.741584163 -3.037540110
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Graphen
>>> > &CONTROL
>>> > calculation = "scf"
>>> > forc_conv_thr = 1.00000e-03
>>> > max_seconds = 1.72800e+05
>>> > nstep = 1000
>>> > verbosity='high'
>>> > restart_mode='from_scratch'
>>> > iprint=1
>>> > tprnfor=.true.
>>> > pseudo_dir = '/lfs01/Val/cairo010u1/Test/pseudo',
>>> > outdir='/lfs01/workdirs/Val/Test/Out/G',
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > &SYSTEM
>>> > a = 7.40525e+00
>>> > c = 9.99906e+00
>>> > ibrav = 4
>>> > nat = 17
>>> > ntyp = 1
>>> > ecutwfc = 45.0 ,
>>> > ecutrho = 450.0 ,
>>> > input_DFT = 'PBE-D2' ,
>>> > occupations = 'smearing' ,
>>> > degauss = 1.0d-4 ,
>>> > vdw_corr = 'Grimme-D2'
>>> > assume_isolated = 'mt'
>>> > smearing = 'marzari-vanderbilt' ,
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > &ELECTRONS
>>> > conv_thr = 1.0d-10 ,
>>> > electron_maxstep = 1000
>>> > mixing_mode = 'plain' ,
>>> > mixing_beta = 0.3d0 ,
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > &IONS
>>> > ion_dynamics='bfgs'
>>> > upscale=20.0
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > &CELL
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > K_POINTS {automatic}
>>> > 3 3 3 0 0 0
>>> >
>>> > ATOMIC_SPECIES
>>> > C 12.01070 C.pbe-n-kjpaw_psl.1.0.0.UPF
>>> >
>>> > ATOMIC_POSITIONS {angstrom}
>>> > C 1.280642168 0.685951341 -0.000431048
>>> > C -1.236653977 3.539880413 -0.001566184
>>> > C -0.000377617 2.903279130 -0.002911997
>>> > C -2.489554615 5.710262290 -0.000852594
>>> > C -1.229721248 4.990709007 -0.000338911
>>> > C 2.449440629 1.438897112 0.002319254
>>> > C 3.702198081 0.707454065 -0.001265064
>>> > C 1.236237242 3.539760579 0.000958837
>>> > C 2.478517989 2.856386275 0.004841971
>>> > C -0.000246038 5.700684987 -0.000997560
>>> > C 1.229347070 4.990770096 -0.000716604
>>> > C 4.955272233 1.438694069 -0.002138838
>>> > C 6.124721243 0.686321393 0.000987763
>>> > C 3.702044434 3.562937903 0.001926384
>>> > C 4.925831271 2.856536000 -0.001755553
>>> > C 2.489209922 5.710445901 -0.000342579
>>> > C 3.702309214 4.976078918 -0.000048704
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hydrogen
>>> > &CONTROL
>>> > calculation = "scf"
>>> > forc_conv_thr = 1.00000e-03
>>> > max_seconds = 1.72800e+05
>>> > nstep = 1000
>>> > verbosity='high'
>>> > restart_mode='from_scratch'
>>> > iprint=1
>>> > tprnfor=.true.
>>> > pseudo_dir = '/lfs01/workdirs/Val/Test/pseudo',
>>> > outdir='/lfs01/workdirs/Val/Test/Out/HY',
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > &SYSTEM
>>> > a = 7.40525e+00
>>> > c = 9.99906e+00
>>> > ibrav = 4
>>> > nat = 2
>>> > ntyp = 1
>>> > ecutwfc = 45.0 ,
>>> > ecutrho = 450.0 ,
>>> > input_DFT = 'PBE-D2' ,
>>> > occupations = 'smearing' ,
>>> > degauss = 1.0d-4 ,
>>> > vdw_corr = 'Grimme-D2'
>>> > assume_isolated = 'mt'
>>> > smearing = 'marzari-vanderbilt' ,
>>> >
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > &ELECTRONS
>>> > conv_thr = 1.0d-7 ,
>>> > electron_maxstep = 1000
>>> > mixing_mode = 'plain' ,
>>> > mixing_beta = 0.3d0 ,
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > &IONS
>>> > ion_dynamics='bfgs'
>>> > upscale=20.0
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > &CELL
>>> > /
>>> >
>>> > K_POINTS {automatic}
>>> > 3 3 3 0 0 0
>>> >
>>> > ATOMIC_SPECIES
>>> > H 1.00794 H.pbe-kjpaw_psl.1.0.0.UPF
>>> > ATOMIC_POSITIONS {angstrom}
>>> > H 3.360489134 2.350036356 -3.014528460
>>> > H 2.719672863 2.741584163 -3.037540110
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 at 21:09, Stefano Baroni <baroni at sissa.it> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I know nothing about your system, but what you report simply seem the
>>> >> evidence of an endothermal adsorption, stabilized by a energy barrier.
>>> >> Have you got strong reasons to believe that this cannot be the case?
>>> >> Regards, Stefano B
>>> >>
>>> >> ___
>>> >> Stefano Baroni, Trieste -- http://stefano.baroni.me
>>> >>
>>> >> > On 5 Dec 2018, at 18:45, Mohamed Safy <msafy505 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dear QE users
>>> >> > I am trying to study the adsorption of a negatively charged molecule
>>> on
>>> >> a core of polymer. The relaxed cell showed the formation of four
>>> hydrogen
>>> >> bonds (with O...H distance range between 1.7 and 1.95 angstrom). But,
>>> when
>>> >> I calculated the adsorption energy I found it a positive value (44
>>> >> kcal/mol). any advice or suggestion please.
>>> >> > Thanks in advance
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