[Pw_forum] fluctuation in SCF energies of CO adsorbed on Pd110

David Foster davidfoster751 at yahoo.com
Mon Apr 21 15:04:00 CEST 2014


Thank you again Axel. It was very helpful for me.


Regards

David Foster

Ph.D. Student of Chemistry

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On Mon, 4/21/14, Axel Kohlmeyer <akohlmey at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Pw_forum] fluctuation in SCF energies of CO adsorbed on Pd110
 To: "PWSCF Forum" <pw_forum at pwscf.org>
 Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 4:59 AM
 
 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:28 AM,
 David Foster <davidfoster751 at yahoo.com>
 wrote:
 > Thanks Axel
 > Yes, in chemistry wee see always the MOs. But in many
 unknown cases, we should calculate the MOs by computations.
 To use the codes, we need to define 2S+1. In quantum
 chemistry codes we use different spin-multiplicity, and we
 choose each one that give smaller energy. What about
 plane-wave methods?
 
 where in the schoedinger equation does it say it only works
 for
 atom-centric basis sets?
 
 > Why choosing spin-polarization causes that the energy
 fluctuate so much?
 
 i think you are jumping to conclusions here. have you run
 the slab
 configuration without the CO molecule. charge sloshing can
 happen for
 all kinds of reasons, and usually it is affected by the
 amount of
 mixing used and not so much by doing LSDA, but using LSDA
 does offer
 additional degrees of freedom for the electronic system to
 evolve and
 thus can emphasize problems like charge sloshing.
 
 > If I compare these two calculations (one with
 spin-polarization and one without it), I should get the same
 energy. Is it right?
 
 only if there is no magnetization.
 
 axel.
 
 > Thanks again
 > Any help will be appreciated.
 >
 > Regards
 >
 > David Foster
 >
 > Ph.D. Student of Chemistry
 >
 > --------------------------------------------
 > On Mon, 4/21/14, Axel Kohlmeyer <akohlmey at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject: Re: [Pw_forum] fluctuation in SCF
 energies of CO adsorbed on Pd110
 >  To: "PWSCF Forum" <pw_forum at pwscf.org>
 >  Date: Monday, April 21, 2014, 1:17 AM
 >
 >  On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM,
 >  David Foster <davidfoster751 at yahoo.com>
 >  wrote:
 >  > Dear Yun
 >  > Thanks for your rapid answer. Considering
 your answer,
 >  I have two more questions:
 >  >
 >  > 1- In the system I have carbon monoxide.
 carbon atom
 >  has 4 electron in its valance. between O and C
 there is a
 >  triple bond. So, carbon may have one unpaired
 electron that
 >  needs spin-polarization defined. Is it right?
 >
 >  wrong. electrons cannot be "assigned" to
 individual atoms,
 >  they occupy
 >  "molecular" orbitals. please help yourself to a
 little
 >  quantum
 >  chemistry refresher.
 >
 >  > 2- Surface of metals due to the charge
 density near to
 >  the surface needs spin-polarization. Is it
 right?
 >
 >  wrong. you need spin polarization only if you
 have unpaired
 >  electrons..
 >
 >  > One more point. I have prepared input with
 one
 >  graphical program. When I see the input file with
 XCrysDen,
 >  in the primitive form everything is OK, but in
 conventional
 >  form, three to four Pd atoms in the edge of cell
 seems to be
 >  missing!!!!
 >
 >  that is just visualization. probably your initial
 geometry
 >  has some
 >  rounding errors in the positions.
 >
 >  axel.
 >
 >  > Regards
 >  >
 >  > David Foster
 >  >
 >  > Ph.D. Student of Chemistry
 >  >
 >  >
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 >  > On Sun, 4/20/14, Yun Wang <yun.wang at griffith.edu.au>
 >  wrote:
 >  >
 >  >  Subject: Re: [Pw_forum] fluctuation in
 SCF
 >  energies of CO adsorbed on Pd110
 >  >  To: "PWSCF Forum" <pw_forum at pwscf.org>
 >  >  Date: Sunday, April 20, 2014, 2:41 PM
 >  >
 >  >  Hi David,I think
 >  >  you need not consider the spin
 polarization for
 >  this system,
 >  >  which will accelerate the
 >  >  convergancy.Cheers,Yun
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  On Mon, Apr 21, 2014
 >  >  at 2:20 AM, David Foster <davidfoster751 at yahoo.com>
 >  >  wrote:
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  Dear users
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  I have prepared an input for
 interaction between
 >  CO and
 >  >  Pd(110). I optimized 3*3*3 supercell
 of Pd bulk,
 >  and then
 >  >  cleaved a 110 surface and constructed
 a slab. I
 >  inserted CO
 >  >  molecule which has been optimized with
 QE5.0.2 in
 >  it. Now, I
 >  >  try to optimize this mixed system
 (CO+Pd(110)).
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  My main problem is that in scf I see
 the
 >  fluctuation in
 >  >  energies. My input and output has been
 attached.
 >  In all
 >  >  calculations I used QE5.0.2 and the
 same USPP. I
 >  used PBE
 >  >  DFT in the PP. I used nspin=2 due to
 the presence
 >  of oxygen
 >  >  atom. I introduced start_magnetization
 for all
 >  species. I
 >  >  fixed three bottom layers in the cell.
 I used
 >  ibrav=14 to
 >  >  optimize bulk phase of Pd, and didn't
 change it
 >  in all
 >  >  computation.
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  I used degauss=0.001RY. In addition I
 used
 >  smearing
 >  >  technique for both bulk and slab.
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  The run is continuing, but I think
 finally, I
 >  will encounter
 >  >  with problem.
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  Any idea for rapid convergence and
 solve the
 >  issue in
 >  >  fluctuation energy is appreciated.
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  Regards
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  David Foster
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >  Ph.D. Student of Chemistry
 >  > 
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