[Pw_forum] Conserving the same Wyckoff multiplicity in the input and in the output

hqtst42 hqtst42 at netc.pl
Wed Apr 19 11:47:25 CEST 2017


Dear Paolo,

Many thanks for you reply. It seems like "use_all_frac=.true. " solved
my problem.
I have one final question: assuming you use one of the options
that would prevent you from using (hybrid functionals / phonon
calculations), how could I change the input parameters (especially
ecutwfc) so all of the symmetry elements are present ?

Many thanks indeed,

Henri Colaux



Le 2017/04/19 à 18:46, Henri Colaux a écrit :
>
> Le 2017/04/12 à 19:36, Paolo Giannozzi a écrit :
>> The symmetry the code finds may differ from the actual symmetry of the
>> system. If so, only a reduced symmetry will be enforced. Note the last
>> point in this excerpt from the user manual. It holds also for Wyckoff
>> positions and space groups.
>>
>> Paolo
>>
>> ===========================================
>> 5.0.0.19 pw.x does not find all the symmetries you expected
>>
>> pw.x determines first the symmetry operations (rotations) of the
>> Bravais lattice; then checks which of these are symmetry operations of
>> the system (including if needed fractional translations). This is done
>> by rotating (and translating if needed) the atoms in the unit cell and
>> verifying if the rotated unit cell coincides with the original one.
>>
>> Assuming that your coordinates are correct (please carefully check!),
>> you may not find all the symmetries you expect because:
>>
>> the number of significant figures in the atomic positions is not large
>> enough. In file PW/eqvect.f90, the variable accep is used to decide
>> whether a rotation is a symmetry operation. Its current value (10-5 )
>> is quite strict: a rotated atom must coincide with another atom to 5
>> significant digits. You may change the value of accep and recompile.
>> they are not acceptable symmetry operations of the Bravais lattice.
>> This is the case for C60 , for instance: the Ih icosahedral group of
>> C60 contains 5-fold rotations that are incompatible with translation
>> symmetry.
>> the system is rotated with respect to symmetry axis. For instance: a
>> C60 molecule in the fcc lattice will have 24 symmetry operations (Th
>> group) only if the double bond is aligned along one of the crystal
>> axis; if C60 is rotated in some arbitrary way, pw.x may not find any
>> symmetry, apart from inversion.
>> they contain a fractional translation that is incompatible with the
>> FFT grid (see next paragraph). Note that if you change cutoff or unit
>> cell volume, the automatically computed FFT grid changes, and this may
>> explain changes in symmetry (and in the number of k-points as a
>> consequence) for no apparent good reason (only if you have fractional
>> translations in the system, though).
>> a fractional translation, without rotation, is a symmetry operation of
>> the system. This means that the cell is actually a supercell. In this
>> case, all symmetry operations containing fractional translations are
>> disabled. The reason is that in this rather exotic case there is no
>> simple way to select those symmetry operations forming a true group,
>> in the mathematical sense of the term.
>>
>> 5.0.0.20 Warning: symmetry operation # N not allowed
>>
>> This is not an error. If a symmetry operation contains a fractional
>> translation that is incompatible with the FFT grid, it is discarded in
>> order to prevent problems with symmetrization. Typical fractional
>> translations are 1/2 or 1/3 of a lattice vector. If the FFT grid
>> dimension along that direction is not divisible respectively by 2 or
>> by 3, the symmetry operation will not transform the FFT grid into
>> itself. Solution: you can either force your FFT grid to be
>> commensurate with fractional translation (set variables nr1, nr2, nr3
>> to suitable values), or set variable use_all_frac to .true., in
>> namelist &SYSTEM. Note however that the latter is incompatible with
>> hybrid functionals and with phonon calculations.
>> ===========================================
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:03 PM, hqtst42 <hqtst42 at netc.pl> wrote:
>>> Hi Paolo,
>>>
>>> Many thanks for your reply ; maybe the problem may be something
>>> different ; I see a symmetry break from the gipaw simulation. Because of
>>> the symmetry, I expect, for example, 4 carbons with identical chemical
>>> shifts, yet I have 2 pairs of 2 equivalent carbon instead. For example:
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>      Total NMR chemical shifts in ppm:
>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>      (adopting the Simpson convention for anisotropy and
>>> asymmetry)-----------
>>>
>>>      Atom  1  C   pos: (  0.702166  0.334168  0.055776)  Total
>>> sigma:         154.68
>>>             95.6267         39.1235        -16.2688
>>>             45.6199        165.6715       -100.3341
>>>            -21.3569       -108.3456        202.7526
>>>
>>>      C    1    anisotropy:    216.17    eta:   -0.2840
>>>      C    1    sigma_11=  103.0939    axis=(  0.761900  0.370231  0.531448)
>>>      C    1    sigma_22=   62.1589    axis=(  0.615219 -0.670233 -0.415082)
>>>      C    1    sigma_33=  298.7979    axis=( -0.202517 -0.643208  0.738424)
>>>
>>>      Atom  2  C   pos: (  0.297834  0.203502  0.675798)  Total
>>> sigma:         154.68
>>>             95.6267         39.1235        -16.2688
>>>             45.6199        165.6715       -100.3341
>>>            -21.3569       -108.3456        202.7526
>>>
>>>      C    2    anisotropy:    216.17    eta:   -0.2840
>>>      C    2    sigma_11=  103.0939    axis=(  0.761900  0.370231  0.531448)
>>>      C    2    sigma_22=   62.1589    axis=(  0.615219 -0.670233 -0.415082)
>>>      C    2    sigma_33=  298.7979    axis=( -0.202517 -0.643208  0.738424)
>>>
>>>      Atom  3  C   pos: (  0.297163  0.472864  0.419799)  Total
>>> sigma:         155.11
>>>             95.2156         39.0348         15.4560
>>>             45.5222        166.0586         99.6009
>>>             19.2085        107.7438        204.0451
>>>
>>>      C    3    anisotropy:    215.17    eta:   -0.2971
>>>      C    3    sigma_11=  104.6936    axis=( -0.750294 -0.387720  0.535474)
>>>      C    3    sigma_22=   62.0730    axis=( -0.631164  0.661092 -0.405696)
>>>      C    3    sigma_33=  298.5528    axis=(  0.196701  0.642363  0.740729)
>>>
>>>      Atom  4  C   pos: (  0.702837  0.064806  0.311775)  Total
>>> sigma:         155.11
>>>             95.2156         39.0348         15.4560
>>>             45.5222        166.0586         99.6009
>>>             19.2085        107.7438        204.0451
>>>
>>>      C    4    anisotropy:    215.17    eta:   -0.2971
>>>      C    4    sigma_11=  104.6936    axis=( -0.750294 -0.387720  0.535474)
>>>      C    4    sigma_22=   62.0730    axis=( -0.631164  0.661092 -0.405696)
>>>      C    4    sigma_33=  298.5528    axis=(  0.196701  0.642363  0.740729)
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> There is apparently no version number for
>>> GIPAW:
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>      Program QE v.6.0 (svn rev. 13079) starts on 16Mar2017 at 19:27:28
>>>      ***** This is GIPAW svn revision unknown      *****
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Many thanks again for your time.
>>>
>>> Henri Colaux
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 2017/04/05 à 15:31, Paolo Giannozzi a écrit :
>>>> This is what you get:
>>>>       2 Sym. Ops., with inversion, found
>>>>           (note:  2 additional sym.ops. were found but ignored
>>>>            their fractional translations are incommensurate with FFT grid)
>>>> and this is what you get if you specify "use_all_frac=.true.":
>>>>       4 Sym. Ops., with inversion, found ( 2 have fractional translation)
>>>> These are symmetry operations (visible with verbosity='high')
>>>>                                     s                        frac. trans.
>>>>
>>>>       isym =  1     identity
>>>>
>>>>  cryst.   s( 1) = (     1          0          0      )
>>>>                   (     0          1          0      )
>>>>                   (     0          0          1      )
>>>>
>>>>  cart.    s( 1) = (  1.0000000  0.0000000  0.0000000 )
>>>>                   (  0.0000000  1.0000000  0.0000000 )
>>>>                   (  0.0000000  0.0000000  1.0000000 )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       isym =  2     180 deg rotation - cart. axis [0,0,1]
>>>>
>>>>  cryst.   s( 2) = (    -1          0          0      )    f =(  0.0000000 )
>>>>                   (     0         -1          0      )       (  0.5000000 )
>>>>                   (     0          0          1      )       (  0.5000000 )
>>>>
>>>>  cart.    s( 2) = ( -1.0000000  0.0000000  0.0000000 )    f =(  0.0000000 )
>>>>                   (  0.0000000 -1.0000000  0.0000000 )       (  0.2688348 )
>>>>                   (  0.0000000  0.0000000  1.0000000 )       (  0.3657871 )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       isym =  3     inversion
>>>>
>>>>  cryst.   s( 3) = (    -1          0          0      )
>>>>                   (     0         -1          0      )
>>>>                   (     0          0         -1      )
>>>>
>>>>  cart.    s( 3) = ( -1.0000000  0.0000000  0.0000000 )
>>>>                   (  0.0000000 -1.0000000  0.0000000 )
>>>>                   (  0.0000000  0.0000000 -1.0000000 )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       isym =  4     inv. 180 deg rotation - cart. axis [0,0,1]
>>>>
>>>>  cryst.   s( 4) = (     1          0          0      )    f =(  0.0000000 )
>>>>                   (     0          1          0      )       (  0.5000000 )
>>>>                   (     0          0         -1      )       (  0.5000000 )
>>>>
>>>>  cart.    s( 4) = (  1.0000000  0.0000000  0.0000000 )    f =(  0.0000000 )
>>>>                   (  0.0000000  1.0000000  0.0000000 )       (  0.2688348 )
>>>>                   (  0.0000000  0.0000000 -1.0000000 )       (  0.3657871 )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      point group C_2h (2/m)
>>>>      there are  4 classes
>>>>      the character table:
>>>>
>>>>        E     C2    i     s_h
>>>> A_g    1.00  1.00  1.00  1.00
>>>> B_g    1.00 -1.00  1.00 -1.00
>>>> A_u    1.00  1.00 -1.00 -1.00
>>>> B_u    1.00 -1.00 -1.00  1.00
>>>>
>>>>      the symmetry operations in each class and the name of the first element:
>>>>
>>>>      E        1
>>>>           identity
>>>>      C2       2
>>>>           180 deg rotation - cart. axis [0,0,1]
>>>>      i        3
>>>>           inversion
>>>>      s_h      4
>>>>           inv. 180 deg rotation - cart. axis [0,0,1]
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Paolo Giannozzi <p.giannozzi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Structural optimization doesn't break the symmetry. The final symmetry
>>>>> - the one found by the code, I mean - should be  the same as the
>>>>> initial one.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:46 AM, hqtst42 <hqtst42 at netc.pl> wrote:
>>>>>> In the input file, there are the atomic coordinates for only one
>>>>>> molecule, and with the symmetry operation, I expect 4 equivalent
>>>>>> molecules per unit cell. Yet, the structure optimisation results in 2
>>>>>> pairs of 2 equivalent molecules per unit cell. I would like to explain
>>>>>> to the program not to break the symmetry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 2017/04/04 à 21:45, Paolo Giannozzi a écrit :
>>>>>>> What do you mean by "results with multiplicity 1" and "Wyckoff multiplicity?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:08 PM, hqtst42 <hqtst42 at netc.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the enclosed input file, I set atomic coordinates of all equivalent atoms
>>>>>>>> with crystal_sg and the space group.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This should give results with a multiplicity of 1, but I have instead a
>>>>>>>> multiplicity of 2 in the output file.
>>>>>>>> How can I force the program to conserve the Wyckoff multiplicity taken as an
>>>>>>>> input ?
>>>>>>>> All in QE v 6.0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Henri Colaux
>>>>>>>> Research associate
>>>>>>>> RIKEN Yokohama
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Paolo Giannozzi, Dip. Scienze Matematiche Informatiche e Fisiche,
>>>>> Univ. Udine, via delle Scienze 208, 33100 Udine, Italy
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>> Paolo Giannozzi, Dip. Scienze Matematiche Informatiche e Fisiche,
>> Univ. Udine, via delle Scienze 208, 33100 Udine, Italy
>> Phone +39-0432-558216, fax +39-0432-558222
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