[Pw_forum] Do you think Intel I7 series could improve the parallel efficiency
O. Baris Malcioglu
baris.malcioglu at gmail.com
Wed Mar 25 17:16:19 CET 2009
On the topic of "new architecture" processors, does anyone remember this:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/citation/267/5195/175
Actually we had one of those processors back in my old university. An
early adopter bought it, and due to infamous Intel PR, never was able
to return it. Although it worked perfectly in running OS etc, unlike
the Intel claim, the error was not so uncommon at all, the machine was
hilarious in calculations.
Also, in addition to this, each now and then there are these faulty
memories with "walking bits", etc which are prone to "invent" some
very interesting "results". Try DDR3 in an unshielded case with bad
PSU/ Square wave outlet UPS.
Best,
Baris
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Axel Kohlmeyer
<akohlmey at cmm.chem.upenn.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 22:51 +0800, vega lew wrote:
>> Dear sir,
>>
>> You answer is quite helpful to me. Thank you very much. Actully, the
>> speed of calculation for a large system is more
>> important for us. So I think the bandwidth is the key issue.
>>
>> could I recognize the bandwidth you mentioned as the FSB (Front system
>> bus) of the montherboard and the frequency of memory such as 800MHz or
>> 1066 MHz and so on?
>
> not really. you can see the bandwidth reliably from running the
> stream benchmark. those numbers do - of course - exist, but are
> currently under NDA, so nobody can talk about it until the end
> of next week, IIRC.
>
> from what is public already i can tell you, that the architecture
> of nehalem EP also requires that you pay great care as to where
> memory modules are plugged in. good mainboards will have memory
> slots in multiples of three. by placing memory modules in the wrong
> slots, you can reduce the bandwidth by a factor of three. ;)
>
> as with any new architecture, i would also expect that you'll have
> expect a significant amount of problems with mainboard, bios, drivers
> etc. and thus you should make sure that you have staff able to deal
> with it.
>
> axel
>
>> thank you for your reply
>>
>> vega
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Axel Kohlmeyer
>> <akohlmey at cmm.chem.upenn.edu> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 19:30 +0800, vega lew wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > Is there someone perform QE on intel I7 platform? Do you
>> think
>> > parallelzation QE could benefit from the QPI technology of
>> intel I7
>> > series very much?
>>
>>
>> the integrated memory controller and parallelization have very
>> little connection directly. please don't "believe" in
>> buzzwords.
>>
>> what _will_ help codes like Q-E in general is the greatly
>> enhanced
>> memory bandwidth, particularly the for larger systems. for
>> smaller
>> systems that mostly fit into the cache, the gains will be much
>> smaller.
>> the floating point unit of those cpus is essentially the same
>> as in
>> the current xeon processors.
>> since the various tests posted on the list here demonstrated
>> that
>> (some of) Q-E's parallelization schemes are very much affected
>> by
>> insufficient memory bandwidth, there will be a gain. however,
>> those
>> CPUs will also have a different cache architecture, which may
>> in
>> turn chew up some of the benefits, particularly for smaller
>> problems.
>>
>> cheers,
>> axel.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > vega
>> >
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