<div dir="auto">I have one amorphorse metallic system of 10000 atoms in which several clusters are in it. I want to calculate atomic bonding and electronic interaction through finding DOS/PDOS and Charge analysis of a small cluster part of a large amorphorse metallic system.<div dir="auto">My cluster size is upto 13 to 25 atoms which is part of large md simulation.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So can i have to do relaxation or i can directly do scf calculation with restricted parameter ?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thank you </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 26 Aug, 2022, 6:04 pm Stefano de Gironcoli, <<a href="mailto:degironc@sissa.it">degironc@sissa.it</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I dont think that a 10-20 atom cluster configuration extracted
from a 10000 condensed phase has anything to do with the same
system at 300 K.</p>
<p>possibly some electronic properties of the central molecule may
be similar to the corresponding properties in the condensed phase
but no guarantee. <br>
</p>
<p>if you relax or perform md for the cluster you loose your (tiny)
connection with the original cell. <br>
</p>
<div>I fail to understand what is your
problem and what you would like to compute/understand <br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>stefano<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>On 26/08/22 13:52, Jayraj Anadani
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thank you sir, for your reply
<div>but <span>I have one particular molecular
system of 10-20 atoms which I am getting from a simulation
of a large atom (around 10000 atoms) at a 300K temperature
from a molecular dynamic simulation (LAMMPS). and I also did
optimization of that MD structure which is
amorphous metallic glass. Now,</span>
<div>
<div><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif"> Can I do dft
study of a small part of a single molecule of a large MD
simulation(~10000 atoms) ?</font></div>
<div><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif">till now i did
below things but i am bit confused which way is best way
to study DFT . i also dis AIMD/CPMD but for metallic
glass CPMD doesn't work good with PAW PP.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif">so,</font></div>
<div><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif">1. Can I do
direct SCF calculation(without relax) by giving a
condition of <b>forc_conv_thr</b> and <b>tot_conv_thr</b> with
creating a vacuum</font><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif">(for
a non-periodic system)</span><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif"> of
around 15 Angstrom to converge properly. </span><b style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif">OR</b></div>
<div><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif">2. I should do
the RELAX calculation with vacuum and then go to the <b>scf</b> calculation
to find the total energy and then <b>nscf</b>. </font></div>
<div><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif">***questions:</font></div>
<div><font face="arial narrow, sans-serif">1. what if I
relax a system and position is changed a bit(which is
obvious) to minimize the total energy but that energy is
at zero kelvin dft calculation and I want to study the
system at 300K. So how can small parts of a
structure reflect large MD simulation structural
properties?</font></div>
<div><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap">
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap">Thank you</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap">regards </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap">
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap">
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<div><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap">jayraj anadani</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap">Ph.D. Research scholar
Department of physics</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap">sardar patel university</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:"arial narrow",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap">india</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:00
PM Stefano de Gironcoli <<a href="mailto:degironc@sissa.it" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">degironc@sissa.it</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear
JAYRAJ ANADANI,<br>
<br>
calculation="scf" corresponds to a minimization of the
total energy <br>
at fixed atomic positions. you chose where to put the ions.
the code <br>
does its best to return the corresponding energy.<br>
<br>
calculaiton="relax" corresponds to a series of scf
calculations, <br>
followed by forces evaluation and geometry update to minimize
the energy <br>
of the system. The code does its best to converge to a minimum
(non <br>
necessarily the global minimum) in the GS potential energy
surface.<br>
<br>
there is no temperature in any of these calculations.<br>
<br>
if you want to simulate the system at finite (classical)
temperature <br>
for the atoms you should perform MD simlations<br>
<br>
stefano<br>
<br>
On 26/08/22 05:02, Jayraj Anadani wrote:<br>
> Dear QE<br>
> I put H2O molecular atoms small far apart
from each <br>
> other within large supercell so that the periodic image
of the H2O do <br>
> not interact with each other and run a scf calculation my
convergence <br>
> done successfully with good amount of accuracy upto
10^-9. But it is <br>
> not reflecting original H2O molecule at 300 Kelvin...but
when i <br>
> relaxing these atoms and then did scf calculation they
are reflecting <br>
> H2O at 300k by observing bond angel and length.. how ?
And my question is<br>
> 1) scf is also doing calculation using iteration method
algorithm by <br>
> using electronic densities at ground state so why they
converge when <br>
> two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom are not at
appropriate <br>
> distance.still scf converge how ?<br>
> 2) also by doing relax calculation all of sudden two
hydrogen and one <br>
> oxygen come closer and they formed a bond and bond angel
which is <br>
> reflect 300k H2O molecule structure. So how two hydrogen
and one <br>
> oxygen atoms knows during relaxation that i have to make
structure at <br>
> a room temperature?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thank you<br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> JAYRAJ ANADANI<br>
> Ph.D Research scholar<br>
> Department of physics<br>
> Sardar Patel University<br>
> Anand,Gujarat,<br>
> India<br>
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