<div><div dir="auto">BTW would you say that for calculation of the dielectric function of not-so-large (whatever this means...) periodic systems it is better to try GW with the GWW code instead? Is it why TDDFT with hybrids for periodic systems is missing in QE - because GW is better and tractable so why bother with TDDFT?</div></div><div dir="auto">Best,</div><div dir="auto">Michal</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 19:15 Timrov Iurii <<a href="mailto:iurii.timrov@epfl.ch">iurii.timrov@epfl.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,"Segoe UI","Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,serif,EmojiFont;font-size:15px">> Do I remember correctly that epsilon.x also does not take into account the nonlocal pseudopotential contribution?</span><br>
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<p>Correct</p>
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and turbo_lanczos.x codes, namely no_hxc=.true., </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:wf_segoe-ui_normal,"Segoe UI","Segoe WP",Tahoma,Arial,sans-serif,serif,EmojiFont;font-size:13.333333015441895px">which permits an independent-electron calculation.</span><br>
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<p>Correct. By default, the matrix element of the dipole operator is computed (in reciprocal space) via the matrix element of the commutator that Paolo mentioned [H,x] (see Eq.(14) in S. Baroni and R. Resta, Phys. Rev. B 33, 7017 (1986)): but in this case there
is a kinetic term and the part coming from the non-local part of a pseudopotential. In epsilon.x, only the kinetic term is present, while in TDDFT codes both terms are present (the second term was implement long ago in the Phonon code to compute the dielectric
tensor). But still, in the case of hybrid functionals, in [H,x] there is another term which is missing - the commutator with another non-local potential which is EXX. Stefano Baroni and I developed a way how to compute this missing term several years ago:
I implemented it in QE and it worked well, but I never had time to release it and publish some paper about it. But there is a workaround for finite systems: the matrix element of the dipole operator can be computed in real space based on the observation that
the charge density of the finite system decays fast outside the finite system, and hence the non-periodicity problem of the dipole operator is no longer a problem. But this trick in real space is not gonna work for periodic systems, because the charge density
if non-zero in the whole simulation cell. Thus, the only way to overcome this problem is to implement the missing term for hybrids in [H,x].</p>
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Dear all<br>
I don't want to raise the confusion level, so please correct me if I'm <br>
wrong... If you want to calculate a heavily approximate absorption <br>
spectrum of a (large and non-symmetrical) periodic system after a <br>
ground state hybrid calculation, there used to be an option in the <br>
turbo_davidson.x and turbo_lanczos.x codes, namely no_hxc=.true., <br>
which permits an independent-electron calculation. At least, hybrid <br>
functionals and Gamma ground states should be properly treated by such <br>
codes, resulting in an absorption spectrum compatible with those <br>
obtained by using epsilon.x, which, AFAIK, calculates <br>
<occupied|r|virtual> contributions to the absorption spectrum. <br>
However, I don't know how much this kind of calculation is expensive <br>
for large supercells. Of course if you are not interested in <br>
absorption, then my suggestion is nonsense...<br>
HTH<br>
Giuseppe<br>
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Quoting Lorenzo Paulatto <<a href="mailto:paulatz@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulatz@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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> Also, epsilon.x cannot use symmetry-reduced grids, which would be a <br>
> huge wast of time with hybrids, but you can use open_grid.x after <br>
> the pw.x calculation too obtain the full grid and work around this <br>
> problem.<br>
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> cheers<br>
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> On 4/8/20 6:38 PM, Paolo Giannozzi wrote:<br>
>> I think epsilon.x assumes that the dipole element of x can be <br>
>> computed using [H,x]=p\hbar/m. The exchange potential is nonlocal, <br>
>> so its commutator with x will yield an additional term that is not <br>
>> accounted for. Not sure how important it is in practice. Do I <br>
>> remember correctly that epsilon.x also does not take into account <br>
>> the nonlocal pseudopotential contribution?<br>
>><br>
>> Paolo<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:29 PM Manu Hegde <<a href="mailto:mhegde@sfu.ca" target="_blank">mhegde@sfu.ca</a> <br>
>> <<a href="mailto:mhegde@sfu.ca" target="_blank">mailto:mhegde@sfu.ca</a>>> wrote:<br>
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>> Hi Michal,<br>
>> Yes, it is possible.I did use both supercell and hybrid<br>
>> calculations. It did work.<br>
>> Manu<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:08 AM Michal Krompiec<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:michal.krompiec@gmail.com" target="_blank">michal.krompiec@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:michal.krompiec@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:michal.krompiec@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hello,<br>
>> Is it possible to use epsilon.x on results of a calculation with a<br>
>> hybrid functional (supercell, gamma point only)?<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>><br>
>> Michal Krompiec<br>
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