<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">   Dear Julien,<div>I'd go for the suggestion proposed by Pietro. Mind also that, for semiconductor, Methfessel-Paxton is not appropriate, as far as I know. Keep Gaussian or try Fermi smearing. What's the recommended value for the cutoff for each pseudopotential? An insufficient cutoff may considerably affect the results, especially for insulators (forgive me for having overlooked the electronic character of the compound previously). Moreover, the theoretical lattice constant may be substantially different from the experimental one; a very different lattice constant more likely gives rise to numerical instabilities.</div><div><br></div><div>   Best wishes,</div><div>   Fabrizio</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 at 15:50, Julien Barbaud <<a href="mailto:julien_barbaud@sjtu.edu.cn">julien_barbaud@sjtu.edu.cn</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Dear Fabrizio,</p>
    <p>Thank you for your very quick answer and your suggestions. To
      answer your question, I did not inlcude smearing in my most
      general attempts (the "by default" input file), because it was my
      understanding that semiconductors <i>should</i> not require it.
      Indeed, the charge density already decays smoothly to 0 around the
      band gap, so it should not pose the numerical problems that metals
      do. Am I mistaken ?</p>
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    <p>However, as mentionned, I did experiment with a fix where I
      include some additional empty bands to see if that solves the
      problem (as suggested in:
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      section<a name="m_-5586545909898028533_SECTION000600210000000000000" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Microsoft YaHei";font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-decoration:none;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">5.0.0.21)</a>. In this
      case, I used a Methfessel-Paxton smearing (m-p). I tried 30 bands
      (instead of 25 by default) with several values of broadening, but
      this does not appear to solve the problem. <br>
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    <p>As shown in the figure attached (reporting the evolution of
      estimated accuracy at each scf iteration), there is no obvious
      advantage in raising the value of degauss. The curve still stalls
      after a cetain number of iterations. <br>
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    <p>I also attached the input file used for this test.<br>
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    <p>Julien<br>
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    <div class="gmail-m_-5586545909898028533moz-cite-prefix">Le 21/02/2019 à 12:53, Fabrizio Cossu a
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        <div dir="ltr">   Dear Julien,
          <div>what smearing did you have in mind? Have you tried
            raising the broadening?</div>
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          <div>   Cheers,</div>
          <div>   Fabrizio</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at
            12:19, Julien Barbaud <<a href="mailto:julien_barbaud@sjtu.edu.cn" target="_blank">julien_barbaud@sjtu.edu.cn</a>>
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                  <p>I am new to QE, and trying to run a simple scf
                    calculation on a CH3NH3PbI3 crystal (semi-conducting
                    material). I am using ultrasoft pseudopotentials
                    based on the exchange-correlation functionnal
                    PBEsol.<br>
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                  <p> I set up a first input, with values of parameters
                    inspired from literature on the subject. However, I
                    could not reach convergence after 100 iterations.
                    The estimated error was actually "exploding" to very
                    high values, indicating a serious problem. I tried
                    several changes but was unsuccessful: <br>
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                    <li> varying plane-wave cutoff energy does not solve
                      the problem (cf attached ecut.png, giving the
                      estimated error as a function of the number of
                      iterations. It is shown here only on the first 15
                      iterations as the results pretty much only stall
                      from there)</li>
                    <li> varying cutoff energy for charge (cf
                      ecutrho.png)</li>
                    <li>taking larger k-point sampling (not shown)</li>
                    <li> I also read that for metallic or "close to
                      metallic conductors", there might be problems with
                      the first unoccupied states that can be solved by
                      adding a few empty bands. My system being a
                      semi-conductor, I tried adding additional bands
                      using a m-p smearing but no improvement was found
                      (not shown)</li>
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                  <p>The only change that I found effective was to
                    reduce the mixing_beta factor.<br>
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                  <p>It effectively prevents the error from diverging to
                    very large values, but I still do not reach
                    convergence, even after longer iterations. I tried
                    much smaller values of mixing beta which improves
                    the final value of the error, but I still cannot
                    reach convergence on 100 iterations. As shown in the
                    mixbeta2_zoom.png, the error reduces to smaller
                    values around ~1e-5~1e-6, but it keeps stalling
                    after a while. I do not observe a well-converging
                    behaviour for any value.</p>
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                  <p>I attached the "default version" of my script on
                    which the various modifications described above have
                    been independently performed. I obtained the
                    geometry from a CIF file in literature and checked
                    it with visualization software; it seems perfectly
                    ok as far as I can tell.<br>
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                  <p>Any insight on what I did wrong would be really
                    helpful. I suspect a shameful beginner mistake, but
                    can not find it out.<br>
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                  <p>Thanks in advance,</p>
                  <p>Julien barbaud</p>
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                  <p>P.S: this is my first time posting on this user
                    list. Please let me know if my question is not
                    suitable for it, or can be improved either in its
                    content or presentation. I will gladly take any
                    recommandation into account in order not to
                    negatively impact the quality of this user list !<br>
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