<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:07 PM Paolo Giannozzi <<a href="mailto:p.giannozzi@gmail.com">p.giannozzi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">You can start a calculation from the files <a href="http://pw_1.in" target="_blank">pw_1.in</a>, <a href="http://pw_2.in" target="_blank">pw_2.in</a>, etc., that the NEB code creates in the current execution directory. They contain input data for the starting points on the NEB chain. I did that and got no symmetry, by the way.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>and,  by the way, this recent thread explains why it is not a good thing to have symmetry in NEB images:</div><div>   <a href="http://lists.quantum-espresso.org/pipermail/users/2019-February/042111.html">http://lists.quantum-espresso.org/pipermail/users/2019-February/042111.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Paolo</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div>
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<div>         "P. Giannozzi et al., J. Phys.:Condens. Matter 29 465901 (2017);</div>
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<div>So I cannot easily play with the settings.</div>
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<div>No, point symmetry doesn’t depend on units, i.e. squeezing or expanding the system equally in all directions doesn’t change symmetry. I agree!</div>
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<div>Anyway, the point is that neb.x is not able to detect and to use the symmetry of the involved images. This is weird, since the task of optimising/calculating the images</div>
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<div>pd_1/PW.out:     No symmetry found</div>
<div>pd_2/PW.out:     No symmetry found</div>
<div>pd_3/PW.out:     No symmetry found</div>
<div>pd_4/PW.out:     No symmetry found</div>
<div>pd_5/PW.out:     No symmetry found</div>
<div>pd_6/PW.out:     No symmetry found</div>
<div>pd_7/PW.out:     No symmetry found</div>
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<div>So the question remains. What is the reason that the symmetry cannot be detected?</div>
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<div>As an extra check I have made a scf calculation on the last image.</div>
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