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<div>Just a small comment on Palladium which is an element very close to magnetism.</div>
<div>GGA functional slightly overestimates the lattice parameter and incorrectly predict a magnetic ground state...</div>
<div>Therefore if you turn-on magnetism you will probably find a magnetic Pd cluster.</div>
<div>LDA gives the right non-magnetic ground state.</div>
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<div>It looks ok for a cluster of this size, but I am not an expert in nanoparticles, except for spin polarization: if Pd85 is diamagnetic I would expect neither spin nor starting_magnetization keywords. You will have to run tests to check convergence with
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<div class="">thanks a lot for your detailed answer. </div>
<div class="">I have a doubt regarding the occupation. You suggested me to change from smearing to fixed. Why? </div>
<div class="">Moreover, the Pd dimer is just a starting point since I have to calculate a larger cluster of Pd (e.g. Pd85). I need to compute adsoprtion energies of organic substrate on Pd85 cluster. </div>
<div class="">I read in lit. (J. Phys. Chem. A 2008, 112, 8911–8915) that Pd85 is a diamagnetic cluster, thus I will not run any spin-polarization calculation. </div>
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<div class=""> calculation = "relax"</div>
<div class=""> prefix ='PdNP85'</div>
<div class=""> forc_conv_thr = 1.0e-04</div>
<div class=""> max_seconds = 1.0e+14</div>
<div class=""> nstep = 800</div>
<div class=""> pseudo_dir = "/home/pcosta/pseudo"</div>
<div class=""><span class="" style="white-space:pre"></span>verbosity ='high'</div>
<div class=""> disk_io ='none'</div>
<div class=""> tprnfor = .TRUE.</div>
<div class=""> tstress = .TRUE.</div>
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<div class=""> a = 3.50000e+01</div>
<div class=""> degauss = 1.50000e-02</div>
<div class=""> ecutrho = 1.84000e+02</div>
<div class=""> ecutwfc = 1.8400e+01</div>
<div class=""> lda_plus_u = .FALSE.</div>
<div class=""> ibrav = 1</div>
<div class=""> nat = 85</div>
<div class=""> nspin = 1</div>
<div class=""> ntyp = 1</div>
<div class=""> occupations = "smearing"</div>
<div class=""> smearing = "gaussian"</div>
<div class=""> starting_magnetization(1) = 2.00000e-01</div>
<div class=""> vdw_corr = 'grimme-d3'</div>
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<div class=""> conv_thr = 1.00000e-08</div>
<div class=""> diagonalization = "david"</div>
<div class=""> diago_david_ndim=2</div>
<div class=""> mixing_ndim = 4</div>
<div class=""> electron_maxstep = 800</div>
<div class=""> startingpot = "atomic"</div>
<div class=""> startingwfc = "atomic+random"</div>
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<div class=""> ion_dynamics = "bfgs"</div>
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<div class="">Pd 106.42000 Pd.pbe-n-kjpaw_psl.1.0.0.UPF</div>
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<div class="">Pd 20.500000 18.751390 12.742100</div>
<div class="">Pd 22.364760 18.706220 14.403920</div>
<div class="">Pd 19.600740 15.810070 21.482820</div>
<div class="">Pd 21.206620 16.763870 19.717150</div>
<div class="">Pd 22.748800 17.737590 17.835530</div>
<div class="">Pd 24.322110 18.688150 16.053790</div>
<div class="">Pd 11.886050 15.964270 14.712830</div>
<div class="">Pd 13.491300 16.916240 12.952550</div>
<div class="">Pd 15.004030 17.840610 11.205900</div>
<div class="">Pd 16.545790 18.780840 9.431780</div>
<div class="">Pd 10.275990 14.989220 16.543560</div>
<div class="">Pd 12.269750 14.998870 18.133740</div>
<div class="">Pd 14.170130 14.930450 19.899420</div>
<div class="">Pd 16.138350 14.920080 21.533320</div>
<div class="">Pd 18.056230 14.884320 23.208070</div>
<div class="">Pd 14.812290 19.063690 13.385100</div>
<div class="">Pd 16.379960 20.041440 11.613080</div>
<div class="">Pd 18.303760 20.017670 13.301860</div>
<div class="">Pd 16.728710 19.035300 15.082270</div>
<div class="">Pd 18.648070 19.012670 16.763720</div>
<div class="">Pd 15.156510 18.054700 16.859480</div>
<div class="">Pd 17.076040 18.034690 18.532810</div>
<div class="">Pd 13.234570 18.083640 15.155940</div>
<div class="">Pd 20.227600 19.993890 14.990690</div>
<div class="">Pd 22.151300 19.970120 16.679380</div>
<div class="">Pd 20.570710 18.988560 18.452590</div>
<div class="">Pd 18.987980 18.008990 20.217740</div>
<div class="">Pd 11.679690 17.105560 16.939740</div>
<div class="">Pd 13.591300 17.086050 18.604820</div>
<div class="">Pd 15.497560 17.050130 20.317280</div>
<div class="">Pd 17.401810 17.014340 22.027600</div>
<div class="">Pd 14.353250 13.784050 17.521250</div>
<div class="">Pd 12.421840 13.836590 15.841810</div>
<div class="">Pd 13.994670 14.793240 14.062880</div>
<div class="">Pd 15.935220 14.740470 15.750230</div>
<div class="">Pd 17.500910 15.694120 13.975160</div>
<div class="">Pd 17.872280 14.687800 17.434540</div>
<div class="">Pd 19.429680 15.639620 15.658700</div>
<div class="">Pd 16.284240 13.728290 19.210540</div>
<div class="">Pd 15.567540 15.749910 12.283910</div>
<div class="">Pd 17.140290 16.706510 10.505080</div>
<div class="">Pd 19.073920 16.650450 12.197390</div>
<div class="">Pd 20.999510 16.591890 13.891230</div>
<div class="">Pd 18.226670 13.682240 20.878200</div>
<div class="">Pd 19.776270 14.629820 19.109600</div>
<div class="">Pd 21.374640 15.586780 17.349740</div>
<div class="">Pd 22.970990 16.542650 15.591720</div>
<div class="">Pd 17.813280 14.564160 11.809350</div>
<div class="">Pd 16.272540 13.570020 13.595860</div>
<div class="">Pd 14.725500 12.579240 15.366950</div>
<div class="">Pd 18.215930 13.541560 15.273450</div>
<div class="">Pd 16.666980 12.552890 17.036500</div>
<div class="">Pd 19.760790 14.538960 13.480320</div>
<div class="">Pd 21.688380 14.503850 15.165370</div>
<div class="">Pd 20.145540 13.519610 16.919810</div>
<div class="">Pd 18.618160 12.524270 18.720940</div>
<div class="">Pd 12.824840 19.253220 17.422890</div>
<div class="">Pd 14.389300 20.188650 15.625310</div>
<div class="">Pd 15.937510 21.120970 13.823770</div>
<div class="">Pd 16.330060 20.205960 17.306090</div>
<div class="">Pd 17.870000 21.136320 15.503860</div>
<div class="">Pd 14.759580 19.267480 19.108760</div>
<div class="">Pd 16.705570 19.291080 20.772730</div>
<div class="">Pd 18.237800 20.217270 18.977850</div>
<div class="">Pd 19.818670 21.153740 17.191370</div>
<div class="">Pd 18.518490 12.413770 12.842670</div>
<div class="">Pd 16.923030 11.449920 14.609650</div>
<div class="">Pd 18.863830 11.377970 16.278280</div>
<div class="">Pd 20.420780 12.330080 14.518590</div>
<div class="">Pd 15.802800 22.375450 16.028650</div>
<div class="">Pd 14.249000 21.410550 17.831820</div>
<div class="">Pd 16.203800 21.434420 19.485420</div>
<div class="">Pd 17.719490 22.386670 17.690140</div>
<div class="">Pd 15.573820 23.543960 18.485200</div>
<div class="">Pd 19.033400 10.228370 14.054610</div>
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<div class="">1- forc_conv_thr should be smaller: about 1e-4 or 1e-5 (why using 1.94469e-03 with that many digits?)</div>
<div class="">2- add: etot_conv_thr= 1e-7</div>
<div class="">2- I would use ibrav=0 together with CELL-PARAMETERS (see online manual)</div>
<div class="">3- occupation=fixed, no smearing, and nbnd=number of occupied states+ a few virtual ones. It should work as you have a dimer.</div>
<div class="">4- why using vdW corrections? not sure they are significant. Furthermore, as a remember Grimme’s corrections are not that good for metals. I got too large bond distances for gold (but it was for a solid)… </div>
<div class="">5- mixing_beta=0.2 should do the job and you eventually avoid oscillations in the SCF convergence if you use a too large value (or even no convergence at all).</div>
<div class="">6- &CELL … / section is not necessary as you only optimise atomic positions.</div>
<div class="">7- K_POINTS {Gamma} is all right as you have a molecule (k-points are only meaningful for slabs and bulk structures)</div>
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<div class="">I am trying to optimize (relax) Pd dimer (Pd2) as cluster placed on cubic lattice.</div>
<div class="">However I got a value of Pd-Pd bond length which is far too long (3.36 A) compare to the experimental one (about 2.6 A).</div>
<div class="">Am I doing something wrong? Here below the input file:</div>
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<div class=""> calculation = "relax"</div>
<div class="">prefix ='Pd2'</div>
<div class=""> forc_conv_thr = 1.94469e-03</div>
<div class=""> max_seconds = 1.34369e+14</div>
<div class=""> nstep = 800</div>
<div class=""> pseudo_dir = "/home/pcosta/pseudo"</div>
<div class=""><span class="" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>verbosity ='high'</div>
<div class="">disk_io ='none'</div>
<div class=""> tprnfor = .TRUE.</div>
<div class=""> tstress = .TRUE.</div>
<div class="">/</div>
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<div class="">&SYSTEM</div>
<div class=""> a = 4.50000e+01</div>
<div class=""> degauss = 1.00000e-02</div>
<div class=""> ecutrho = 1.83747e+01</div>
<div class=""> ecutwfc = 1.46997e+00</div>
<div class=""><span class="" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>lda_plus_u = .FALSE.</div>
<div class=""> ibrav = 1</div>
<div class=""> nat = 2</div>
<div class=""> nspin = 2</div>
<div class=""> ntyp = 1</div>
<div class=""> occupations = "smearing"</div>
<div class=""> smearing = "gaussian"</div>
<div class=""> starting_magnetization(1) = 2.00000e-01</div>
<div class=""> assume_isolated = 'makov-payne'</div>
<div class=""><span class="" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>vdw_corr = 'grimme-d3'</div>
<div class="">/</div>
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<div class="">&ELECTRONS</div>
<div class=""> conv_thr = 1.00000e-08</div>
<div class=""> diagonalization = "david"</div>
<div class=""> electron_maxstep = 800</div>
<div class=""> mixing_beta = 4.00000e-01</div>
<div class=""> startingpot = "atomic"</div>
<div class=""> startingwfc = "atomic+random"</div>
<div class="">/</div>
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<div class="">&IONS</div>
<div class=""> ion_dynamics = "bfgs"</div>
<div class=""><span class="" style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>trust_radius_min=1e-5</div>
<div class="">/</div>
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<div class="">&CELL</div>
<div class=""> cell_dofree = "all"</div>
<div class=""> cell_dynamics = "bfgs"</div>
<div class=""> press_conv_thr = 5.00000e-01</div>
<div class="">/</div>
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<div class="">K_POINTS {automatic}</div>
<div class=""> 3 3 1 0 0 0</div>
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<div class="">ATOMIC_SPECIES</div>
<div class="">Pd 106.42000 Pd.pbe-n-kjpaw_psl.1.0.0.UPF</div>
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<div class="">ATOMIC_POSITIONS {angstrom}</div>
<div class="">Pd 16.194860 19.259990 18.659720</div>
<div class="">Pd 18.251640 18.665930 18.594650</div>
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<div class="">Thanks.</div>
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<div class="">Department of Chemistry and Biomolecular Sciences</div>
<div class="">University of Ottawa</div>
<div class="">10 Marie Curie, Ottawa, ON K1N 6N5, Canada</div>
<div class="">Room number: DRO 326 (D'Iorio Hall)</div>
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