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    <p>Question:</p>
    <p>You mentioned the BO as being a limitation on the accuracy of
      lattice constants. Can you cite a reference on this for reading? I
      was unaware that this was ever meaningfully a source of error in
      an equilibrium geometric property.<br>
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    <p>IUPUI</p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/7/19 10:54 PM, Stefano Baroni
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      Aleksandra: 
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      <div class="">you are very right and I commend you for your
        thoroughness. Only figures that can be reproduced should be
        reported. Usually, lattice constants can be computed and
        reported with a higher accuracy than you observe. This being
        said, as Nicola says, the *numerical* accuracy that can be
        achieved is usually higher than needed for practical purposes
        and higher than the accuracy due to “unavoidable” physical
        approximations (first and foremost the XC functional, but also
        more fundamental ones, such as Born-Oppenheimer’s).
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        <div class="">Coming to the point, that numerical results may
          depend on such seemingly irrelevant “details" as hardware,
          mathematical libraries, optimisation level, etc. is not
          uncommon, as surprising as it may seem, particularly on
          parallel machines. The result of many “commutative” operations
          (sums, products) depends in practice on the order in which
          these operations are performed, due to the non-commutativity
          fo rounding errors, and this order does depend on all those
          “details”. Some properties may be more sensitive to these
          details than others in some systems more than in others. For
          instance, structural parameters (such as lattice parameters or
          atomic positions) are more sensitive to the accuracy in
          stresses and forces in soft systems than in hard ones. Can you
          tell why?</div>
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        <div class="">Bottom line. Please, do the tests that Nicola
          suggests and make sure you understand the results you get (I
          am sure you are able to appreciate if and when you understand,
          which is not so common). In case of need, revert to us.</div>
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        <div class="">Good luck!</div>
        <div class="">Stefano Baroni<br class="">
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              <div class="">On 8 Jan 2019, at 00:49, Aleksandra
                Oranskaia <<a
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                  <div class="">Thank you for the respond!</div>
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                  <div class="">I was confused with the difference,
                    because if the 3rd digit is “arbitrary” (depends on
                    libraries, compilers, hardware, etc.) than there is
                    no sense in reporting lattice constants in papers
                    with this accuracy; however, it is a common
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                  <div class="">I used:</div>
                  <div class="">conv_thr=1.d-8
                    <div class="">tot_conv_thr=1.d-6</div>
                    <div class="">forc_conv_thr=1.d-6</div>
                    <div class="">cell_dofree=‘volume’ (for the cubic
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                    <div class="">I will try to increase conv_thr and
                      press_conv_thr, as well as to compare gnu and
                      intel compillations, and reply back.</div>
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                      Alex.<br class="">
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