<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Jan 24, 2009, at 4:47 PM, lan haiping wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Thanks for the instruction!<br>Does it mean that i should try to use BSE method to examine excitons' properties?</blockquote><div><br></div>yes (TDDFT with exact exchange would also do, though)</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite">I do wonder whether this failure is due to my solid systems . My basic knowledge is that tddft cannot predict proper <br> optical spectra for solids system but wonderful results for isolated systems due to no standard functionals for this scheme.</blockquote><div><br></div>yes - this is the populace's (mis-) belief. the reason why TDDFT completely fails for excitons is exactly the same why it behaves (sometimes) poorly in finite systems. eg, it cannot predict Rydberg series. After all, what is the physical difference between an infinite system and a (large) finite one? shouldn't the results for the latter converge to those of the former when the size grows large enough?</div><div><br></div><div>Stefano</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><br><br>Best,<br>Hai-Ping<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Stefano Baroni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:baroni@sissa.it">baroni@sissa.it</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="">ian haipin: no problem with the size of the system.<div>bad news about excitons - no standard (lda/gga) implementation of tddft cane ever hope to get them right (to "get them" altogether, I would say)</div> <div>Stafano</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><div><br><div><div>On Jan 24, 2009, at 10:06 AM, lan haiping wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Dear Stefano & Baris:<br><br> I am sorry for delayed reply due to our Chinese New year holidays.<br> I feel interested in exictonic properties of tinanites' derivates, <br>and want to examine their optical properties with TDDFT framework.<br> Though i have read some related papers include your works on this issue, <br> i wonder about the computational load in this scheme since their relative large systems i should handle with (about 50 atoms 300 electrons).<br> <br>Thanks for your help and offers.<br><br>Best Wishes,<br><br>Hai-Ping<br> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Stefano Baroni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:baroni@sissa.it" target="_blank">baroni@sissa.it</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div>Dear Haiping,<div><br></div><div>please have a read at our paper first, and then revert to us with a proposal on what to do with the code. We will be glad to help with any suitable project you may have. No problem at all in writing to each other personally.</div> <div><br></div><div>Best regards</div><div>Stefano</div><div><div></div><div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:27 PM, lan haiping wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Dear Stefano,<br><br><br>Is it possible for me to have a pre-public version for tddft module of QE ?<br> I am reading the LNP book on TDDFT, and curious about <br>your work on this issue .<br><br>Sorry for mailing you directly.<br> <br>Best wishes,<br><br>Hai-Ping<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Stefano Baroni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:baroni@sissa.it" target="_blank">baroni@sissa.it</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><font color="#000000">Anna: we do have an experimental code implementing TDDFT in QE, see: </font><span style="line-height: 17px;"><font color="#000000">J. Chem. Phys. </font><span style="font-weight: bold;"><font color="#000000">128</font></span><font color="#000000">, 154105 (2008). It is not yet public, though. If you want to give it a try, please contact me or Baris Malcioglu who is reading me in cc. Cheers - Stefano</font></span><div> <font color="#000000"></font><span style="line-height: 17px;"><br></span><div><div><div></div><div><font size="4" color="#463c3c" face="ArialMT"><span style="font-size: 15px; line-height: 17px;"><br></span></font><div> <div> On Jan 18, 2009, at 5:04 PM, <a href="mailto:anna.ferrari@unito.it" target="_blank">anna.ferrari@unito.it</a> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>dear all,<br>TD-DFT is implemented in PWSCF?<br>In which codes is TDDFT implemented for solids?<br> <br>thanks a lot<br><br>anna ferrari<br>dip. chimica IFM<br>univ. 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