<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Gentlemen and ladies,  <br><br>I have some rookie questions about VC-relax.    I've pasted the input file and greps of Total energy, Total Forces and stresses below.   Its the same problem of oscillations that has been posted before.   Here are my questions.<br><br>1).   how can it be that  while the forces and stresses are oscillating the total energy continues to decrease albeit slowly?   Am I really relaxing fine but just have a long way to go?<br>2)    I've read many posts suggestioning an MD run to determine an effective dt but I don't think I understand.    I run molecular dynamics and look for the oscillation period of the total forces????    Then use a dt equal to some fraction of the period?<br>3)    I've seen conflicting suggestions
 on whether the default cell mass is a good guess.      any further thoughts on this?<br>4)   I'm starting off with "! no symmetries" and hoping to relax to a point where I find symmetries.    is VC-relax even appropriate for this application?<br><br>thanks in advance!<br><br>Tim Mason<br>Graduate student physics<br>University of Missouri St. Louis<br><br>!    total energy              =  -130.99725337 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -130.99742389 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -130.99765896 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -130.99788028
 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -130.99814044 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -130.99838484 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -130.99862662 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -130.99883535 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -130.99906028 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -130.99921630 Ry<br>!    total energy              = 
 -130.99942817 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -130.99962083 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -130.99984032 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -131.00005894 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -131.00027167 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -131.00032697 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -131.00055195 Ry<br>!    total energy             
 =  -131.00075005 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -131.00092926 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -131.00110579 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -131.00128893 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -131.00152437 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -131.00176666 Ry<br>!    total energy              =  -131.00201744 Ry<br>!    total
 energy              =  -131.00222657 Ry<br><br>     Total force =     0.025775     Total SCF correction =     0.000281<br>     Total force =     0.020098     Total SCF correction =     0.000361<br>     Total force =     0.015661     Total SCF correction =     0.000081<br>     Total force =     0.016340     Total SCF correction =     0.000253<br>     Total force =     0.012358     Total SCF correction =     0.000853<br>     Total force =    
 0.012918     Total SCF correction =     0.000221<br>     Total force =     0.011349     Total SCF correction =     0.000287<br>     Total force =     0.013804     Total SCF correction =     0.000249<br>     Total force =     0.012754     Total SCF correction =     0.000124<br>     Total force =     0.016969     Total SCF correction =     0.000230<br>     Total force =     0.011474     Total SCF correction =     0.000262<br>     Total force =     0.013177    
 Total SCF correction =     0.000210<br>     Total force =     0.010928     Total SCF correction =     0.000265<br>     Total force =     0.009784     Total SCF correction =     0.000097<br>     Total force =     0.010154     Total SCF correction =     0.000534<br>     Total force =     0.023392     Total SCF correction =     0.000539<br>     Total force =     0.018644     Total SCF correction =     0.000303<br>     Total force =     0.013266     Total SCF correction
 =     0.000284<br>     Total force =     0.012565     Total SCF correction =     0.000137<br>     Total force =     0.011408     Total SCF correction =     0.000406<br>     Total force =     0.013103     Total SCF correction =     0.000212<br>     Total force =     0.011107     Total SCF correction =     0.000195<br>     Total force =     0.009844     Total SCF correction =     0.000492<br>     Total force =     0.010155     Total SCF correction =    
 0.000692<br>     Total force =     0.014920     Total SCF correction =     0.000309<br><br>         total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    0.85<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    1.09<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=   
 1.44<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.07<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.36<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.74<br>          total   stress 
 (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.96<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.95<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.92<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)    
 P=    3.35<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    3.21<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    3.13<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.91<br>          total   stress 
 (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.85<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.61<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    1.46<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)    
 P=    1.75<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.29<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.03<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    1.97<br>          total   stress 
 (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.01<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.26<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.44<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)    
 P=    2.66<br>          total   stress  (Ry/bohr**3)                   (kbar)     P=    2.59<br><br>&CONTROL<br>calculation = "vc-relax",<br>prefix = 'n1',<br>tprnfor = .TRUE.<br>pseudo_dir = '/home/tim/PWSCF/PSPS',<br>outdir='/home/tim/tmp'<br>etot_conv_thr = 1.0D-5,<br>forc_conv_thr = 0.0004,<br>dt = 20<br>nstep = 100<br>/<br><br>&SYSTEM<br>ibrav = 0, nat = 15, ntyp = 5,<br>ecutwfc = 40<br>ecutrho = 480<br>celldm(1) = 1.889725989<br>/<br><br>&ELECTRONS<br>mixing_mode = 'plain',<br>mixing_beta = 0.7,<br>conv_thr = 1.0D-7,<br>/<br><br><br>&IONS<br>ion_dynamics  = 'damp',<br>ion_damping  = 0.1,<br>ion_positions = 'from_input',<br>pot_extrapolation = "second_order",<br>wfc_extrapolation = "second_order",<br>upscale =
 100,<br>/<br><br>&CELL<br>press = 0.0,<br>cell_dynamics = 'damp-w'<br>/<br><br>ATOMIC_SPECIES<br>Li 1.0 Li.pbe-n-van.UPF<br>Ca 1.0 Ca.pbe-nsp-van.UPF<br>N 1.0 N.pbe-rrkjus.UPF<br>H 1.0 H.pbe-rrkjus.UPF<br>B 1.0 B.pbe-n-van.UPF<br><br>CELL_PARAMETERS<br>11.03225111 0.49197118 -0.92807585<br>-0.15038487 5.49373010 -0.38883048<br>3.04894498 0.25407718 4.19633759<br><br>ATOMIC_POSITIONS {crystal}<br>Li 0.144228066000 0.155479905000 0.105275909000<br>Ca 0.911201719000 0.659605393000 0.179405853000<br> N 0.954182418000 0.066667349000 0.203452528000<br> H 0.879987796000 0.160521652000 0.398773311000<br> H 0.949093887000 0.150685763000 0.033727675000<br> H 0.590246767000 0.244749224000 0.483311768000<br> H 0.563997731000 0.067035740000 0.225636766000<br> H 0.437455407000 0.306433941000 0.454794956000<br> H 0.611216941000 0.379448807000 0.154202770000<br> H 0.231109967000 0.728337975000 0.002905585000<br> H
 0.397236924000 0.644804127000 -0.037067236000<br> H 0.288752224000 0.877300760000 0.238936122000<br> H 0.231627436000 0.575300194000 0.301639728000<br> B 0.550495441000 0.249323405000 0.329678852000<br> B 0.288025902000 0.707564656000 0.123296526000<br><br>K_POINTS automatic<br>4 4 4 0 0 0<br><br><br></td></tr></table>