[Pw_forum] Smearing Problem

paresh rout paresh.rout88 at gmail.com
Thu Jul 2 20:24:55 CEST 2015


Hello Sir,
The units are in mRy. I tried with halving and doubling the F-D smearing
value and the energy difference remains same (0.06mRy/atom) using largest
k-point sampling. Can I rely on this  F-D smearing (0.00184) results now ?
I am also doing a convergent test on MV smearing with the largest k-point
sampling.

Kind Regards

Paresh




On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Nicola Marzari <nicola.marzari at epfl.ch>
wrote:

>
> Hi Paresh,
>
>
> all good - but are you sure the units are mRy? A difference of
> 0.06 mRy /atom is super small (11604K=1eV), so we are talking about
> 10K difference, lost in the noise of the errors of approximate functionals,
> entropic effects, etc...
>
> Anyhow, if you want the computational "truth" you could try halving or
> doubling the fermi-dirac smearing (or m-v, or m-p), using the largest
> sampling,
> and see if you get the same number.
>
>                                 nicola
>
>
> On 01/07/2015 21:15, paresh rout wrote:
> > Sorry sir in the previous plot the energy difference was not per atom.
> > So here I am attaching the Corrected plot. My system contains 20 atom.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:09 PM, paresh rout <paresh.rout88 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:paresh.rout88 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Thank you very much sir. That was a very helpful reply. Now I
> >     understand  smearing. Just one more query, I did a convergence test
> >     with k-point sampling  by fixing the F-D smearing value to 0.00184
> >     and the energy difference between C-type and G-type  seems to be
> >     converged (I have attached the convergent test plot). If I
> >     understand your explanation correctly then this result should also
> >     be reliable. Please let me know if I am wrong.
> >
> >       I will also do the convergent test with M-V(0.01) and the second
> >     solution that you have suggested.
> >     (The K-points grids are 8 8 6 , 10 10 8, 12 12 10, 14 14 12,
> >     previously I was using 8 8 6)
> >
> >     Kind Regards
> >     Paresh Chandra Rout
> >     Research Scholar
> >     INDIAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE EDUCATION AND RESEARCH, BHOPAL
> >
> >
> >     On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Nicola Marzari
> >     <nicola.marzari at epfl.ch <mailto:nicola.marzari at epfl.ch>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >         Dear Paresh,
> >
> >
> >         maybe this is easier to follow:
> >         http://theossrv1.epfl.ch/Main/ElectronicTemperature
> >
> >         The main concept is that with very small smearing you need *a
> >         lot* of
> >         k-points
> >         to perform the correct Brillouin zone integrations - so with a
> >         0.00184
> >         smearing
> >         you have a *large* error due to insufficient sampling, not a
> >         small error.
> >
> >         Solution 1 - if you do not want to think, ever, in your life,
> >         use 0.01
> >         Ry of m-v
> >         or m-v smearing, and increase the k-point sampling until the
> >         difference
> >         in energy
> >         between G and C type is converged.
> >
> >         Solution 2 - plot the energy difference between G and C as a
> >         function of
> >         smearing,
> >         for m-v smearing of 0.005, 0.010, 0.015, 0.020, 0.025, and with
> >         at least
> >         3 or
> >         4 k-point sampling. Use the discussion from
> >         http://theossrv1.epfl.ch/Main/ElectronicTemperature
> >         to understand what to do.
> >
> >                                          nicola
> >
> >
> >
> >         On 30/06/2015 17:07, paresh rout wrote:
> >         > Dear all,
> >         > I am dealing with a transition metal oxide compound (ABO3),
> Where I use
> >         > cold smearing *m-v(0.02)* for geometry optimization and for
> total energy
> >         > calculation I use *f-d (0.00184*) at the final optimized
> structure. I
> >         > have calculated the total energy for various type of magnetic
> ordering
> >         > like (G-type, C-type). The total energy (SCF) for G-type and
> C-type are
> >         > in reverse ordering for different smearing technique (*G-type
> is the
> >         > ground state for* *MV smearing and C-type is the ground state
> for FD*).
> >         > But when I reduced the value of degauss of *MV to 0.008 *I got
> the same
> >         > ordering as FD.
> >         > I am very confused about the smearing technique . I have also
> read Prof.
> >         > Nicola's thesis about smearing but there I did not get rid  of
> my
> >         > confusion also I did not find about FD technique . Can anybody
> kindly
> >         > tell me about the right smearing technique which I can use for
> the spin
> >         > polarized calculation ? Any reply would be highly appreciated.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Kind Regards
> >         > Paresh Chandra Rout
> >         > Research Scholar
> >         > INDIAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE EDUCATION AND RESEARCH, BHOPAL
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
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