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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/11/2015 21:03, Samuel Poncé
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                              <div>Dear Stefano, <br>
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                            Thank you for the suggestions. I will look
                            into those routine to place a perturbation a
                            lift the degeneracies. <br>
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                          But before that, just to be sure. <br>
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                        Would it make sense to compare the wavefunction
                        if we look at a non-degenerate band. For example
                        the first one in diamond is non degenerate
                        throughout the BZ. <br>
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    yes.<br>
    for a non degenerate band the difference in the two calculations
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    (in general k-dependent) phase.<br>
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                      Then, there is the degeneracy due to symmetries.
                      The WF a one k-point could be any linear
                      combination of the WF at the other k-points
                      related by symmetry. <br>
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    not really. each k point is solved separately.<br>
    the degeneracy creating problems is the one due to the small group
    of the k-point under consideration.<br>
    It's true that if you were to make a calculation in a supercell and
    some equivalent k-points<br>
    were to be folded in the same k-point of the sucercell (for instance
    the 3 X points of the fcc,<br>
    if you use 4 times larger simple cubic supercell) then yes the
    supercell wavefunctions will be a mixture of all of them.<br>
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                  <div>Would it be possible to lift that degeneracy by
                    removing the symm (nosym=.true. and noinv = .true.)?
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                  In that case I could compare the wf?<br>
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    i don't think so.<br>
    the symmetry is in the Hamiltonian and the degeneracy would still be
    present.<br>
    the nosym/noinv flags determine whether the code exploit these
    symmetries to reduce the number of k-points to be computed but for a
    given k-point the Hamiltonian, within numerical noise, should be the
    same.<br>
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                In passing, while looking into that, I found a bug
                PW/src/init_us_2.f90<br>
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              At the beginning of the routine the out variable vkb_
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            I had some NaN due to that and adding the zeroing solved it.
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    thanks for reporting. <br>
    I thought that having defined the variable INTENT(OUT) it should be
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    but probably it is not always like that. thanks.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 31 October 2015 at 19:17, stefano de
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                <div>On 31/10/2015 19:45, Samuel Poncé wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div>Dear all, <br>
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                                                    I would like to
                                                    present the
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                                                  1) Diamond with the
                                                  normal 48 sym (incl
                                                  frac translation)<br>
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                                                VS<br>
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                                              2) Diamond where the code
                                              is tricked into having two
                                              different type of atom
                                              with two psp (24 sym &
                                              no frac translation). The
                                              two psp are the same with
                                              a different name. <br>
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                                            The input files are join to
                                            this email (first I do a scf
                                            calc followed by a nscf calc
                                            where I put by hand all the
                                            kpoints). <br>
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                                          The two case should in theory
                                          give exactly the same physical
                                          observable. <br>
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              </span> wavefunctions are not physical observables.<br>
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              random global phases appear due to numerical noise, random
              non-global phases appear among degenerate wavefunctions.<br>
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              my suggestion is to formulate your problem in a gauge
              invariant way... <br>
              which should be the only thing that make sense physically.<br>
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              If you insist in attaching a meaning to a specific
              wavefunction you should use a guiding function to fix the
              phases and break the tie caused by degeneracy.<br>
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              I think you could use some concepts developed to align
              wfcs in neighboring points in Wannier functions
              construction (either in the Wannier90 code or in the
              PP/src/poormanwannier.f90 tool) and/or in the
              band-tracking bit coded in  PP/src/bands.f90<br>
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              stefano <br>
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                                          However, when I print the
                                          ground state WF summed on
                                          G-vectors and bands for each
                                          k-points: SUM(evc(:,:)) where
                                          the evc dim are evc(npw,nbnd).<br>
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                                        I get for the first case:<br>
                                         ik            1<br>
                                         SUM(evc)
                                        (0.524554603771020,-0.985842296616562)<br>
                                         ik            2<br>
                                         SUM(evc)
                                        (-0.210256090577016,0.545845252785036)<br>
                                         ik            3<br>
                                         SUM(evc)
                                        (-0.239028680198133,-1.83612435123587)<br>
                                         ik            4<br>
                                         SUM(evc)
                                        (-0.565218210001339,-0.820699742516653)<br>
                                         ik            5<br>
                                         SUM(evc)
                                        (1.42454745428565,-0.957929628317023)<br>
                                         ik            6<br>
                                         SUM(evc)
                                        (-0.274745448323905,1.09643888529245)<br>
                                         ik            7<br>
                                         SUM(evc)
                                        (-0.933074272062335,1.16077508535444)<br>
                                         ik            8<br>
                                         SUM(evc)
                                        (0.989923346231570,-1.58533060259471)<br>
                                         ik            9<br>
                                         SUM(evc)
                                        (-1.26782798392043,-0.150960156635521)<br>
                                         ik           10<br>
                                         SUM(evc)
                                        (-0.401891345164427,1.27585476000084)<br>
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                                      For the second case<br>
                                       ik            1<br>
                                       SUM(evc)
                                      (0.116807098229033,-1.11058471838606)<br>
                                       ik            2<br>
                                       SUM(evc)
                                      (-0.215236454279303,0.546415812538992)<br>
                                       ik            3<br>
                                       SUM(evc)
                                      (-0.239955952913802,-1.83623414069791)<br>
                                       ik            4<br>
                                       SUM(evc)
                                      (-0.566091061918831,-0.820097940655045)<br>
                                       ik            5<br>
                                       SUM(evc)
                                      (1.42304578433157,-0.960163474240552)<br>
                                       ik            6<br>
                                       SUM(evc)
                                      (-0.281026989151429,1.09416630115645)<br>
                                       ik            7<br>
                                       SUM(evc)
                                      (-0.933137702445232,1.16063633276210)<br>
                                       ik            8<br>
                                       SUM(evc)
                                      (0.989188453055074,-1.58571465239844)<br>
                                       ik            9<br>
                                       SUM(evc)
                                      (-1.26782806755424,-0.150960132814025)<br>
                                       ik           10<br>
                                       SUM(evc)
                                      (-0.401891332187340,1.27585476604143)<br>
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                                    You can see that their norm is well
                                    the same but for some k-point the
                                    phase is exactly the same whereas
                                    for other k-point the phase is
                                    strongly different. <br>
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                                    that are different cannot be found
                                    at other k-point in the other
                                    example. It is therefore not a
                                    problem of k-ordering. <br>
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                                  This lead to a problem for me because
                                  I try to look at <br>
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                                <\Psi_k+q| might be something here or
                                not |\psi_k>. <br>
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                              Therefore if the k are the same but the
                              k+q point happen to have a phase
                              difference, such phase does not cancels
                              out. <br>
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                            Is there a way to impose to have the same
                            phase for the two case or a maximum have a
                            global phase that does not depend on the
                            k-point?<br>
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